Todd: OK, Jeff, you're a writer.

Jeff: A little bit.

Todd: OK.

Jeff: Hobby!

Todd: OK. Talk about writing.

Jeff: I write, I think you... writers write about what they know. So, and I don't know much so...so it's difficult, difficult to be a writer. Now, writers write about what they know so, um, I'm writing, I have a manuscript now about, uh, um, travelling, the people, the people I've come in contact with and, uh, what I thought about then, in the situation we've been in when we've met, sort of thing so... But it's difficult, it's not easy, it's not an easy thing to do. At first I did sort of thinking, mm, anyone could do it almost if you put the time into it but now I think it's very difficult, you, you have to be creative, and it's a lot harder than I think it seems, to pick up a finished product, a book, um, a physical book, or to take a book from the library, I think it's... you underestimate the time that has gone into it. It's a long, lot of effort behind it so... it's fun, I like it, but it's very difficult. But it's good.